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When pseudosecularists create Hindu terrorist and Hindu terrorism
Contrast with the arrest of SIMI leaders. Tehelka, the unofficial English language mouthpiece of the SIMI slandered the competency of the police. They pleaded that SIMI”s arguments for Islamicization of India were actually valid! The Shahi Imam threatened Hindus with a second partition and mass violence. Muslim intellectuals and un-convicted terrorist right groups demanded judicial inquiries after the Batla House encounter. In Azamgarh, the martyr Mohan Chand Sharma was denounced as a fake encounter specialist by several local Muslims. On several occasions, local Muslims have prevented arrests of terror suspects by threatening communal violence like in the case of a fanatical preacher Abdul Matin of Varanasi! It is with a sense of relief that we find the conduct of a national party like BJP in this hour of crisis to be satisfactory which unfortunately cannot be said to be the case for the others. Remember, how Madhani, the man who spent 10 yrs in jail for his involvement in the Coimbatore blasts was wishfully wooed by both the Communists and the Congress in Kerala. Remember, how Bashir”s family, mastermind of the Ahmedabad blasts was consoled by every “secular” party operating in Uttar Pradesh! In stark opposition, the BJP and any of its allied Hindutva organizations have completely disowned the accused. It sends a strong message to every potential Hindu fed up from “green terror” and who believes in taking the law into his own hands that no sympathy can be expected for their misguided actions. Those same “secular” windbags who rationalize anti Hindu terrorism as a consequence of the eradication of a profound symbol of 16th century Islamic imperialism in 1992, may well discover the roots of Malegaon 2008 in Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Bangalore and Delhi 2008, if not Mumbai 2007, Delhi 2005, Coimbatore 1998, apart from J and K 1989-2008 Within 24 hrs of her arrest, the Sadhvi has become Hindu”s terror feminine face! Everything associated with her is claimed to be untouchable including her religious identity. Dare they render the same [dis]service to the hundreds of Islamic terrorists who have been apprehended by the police! Recall, the Jayendra Saraswati case in which the “secular” media played such an egregious role in defaming both him, and the Math that the Andhra High Court was compelled to intervene and issue a stern warning to all these agencies of secular terror, for “the amount of disrepute and sacrilege inflicted upon Sri Jayendra Saraswati, as of now, is so enormous that it has hardly any comparables” The learned judge had also regrettably noted, “sad and sorrowful that an institution of such glory that withstood foreign invasions and social revolutions”" over the past 2500 years is virtually targeted and persecuted in an organised manner in an independent country.Not only individuals, but also a section of the institutions, such as the State and the Press, appears to be determined to belittle and besmirch the Peetam.The proponents of human rights, fair play and dignity to the individuals and institutions have maintained stoic silence”
Islam fundamentalism has a dark global totalitarian vision. Muslim extremists freely quote from the Quran, and are warmly applauded by supposedly pious co-religionists. Osama Bin Laden became overnight a pan-Islamic symbol after 9/11. Thousands of Indian Muslims enthusiastically enrolled in the global jehadi fan club, was the frank admission of Burkha Dutt who is arguably one of the most secular journalists around. Yet, a Zakir Naik who applauds Osama and calls USA terrorist Number 1 finds space in India. A Geelani, who has only one desire - the total Islamicization of Kashmir is treated at government expense. The Imam of Azamgarh reassured Bashir”s family after his arrest, “God will do justice and the community will benefit from your son”s sacrifices.” In contrast, it is impossible to even remotely visualize a Hindu guru consoling Pragya Sadhvi”s family!
For the 80 million Hindus who were butchered in the cause of the supposedly lesser Jihad of medieval political expediency, not one counter-terrorist was produced. For the millions of Bengali Hindus who were massacred in the genocide against Hindus in Bangladesh, not one counter-terrorist emerged. Against the Kashmiri genocide, how many Pandits took up guns? Why did they not? Because deep inside every Hindu finds revolting the idea of killing innocents only because the faith they profess is different from their own. Because they cannot tolerate rationalization of terror against innocents for the sake of avenging the past wrongs. Why did they not convert people from other faiths? Because they actually believe real conversion is not conversion of faith, it is conversion of character. Why did they not retaliate? Because their reformist spirit prevents justification of murder through the morbid philosophy of an “eye for an eye” Why did they not transform into book based fanatics? Because they know, that any holy book which teaches terror against innocents must be disowned! During the Godhra riots, there were hundreds and thousands of Hindus, who deplored the alleged misdeeds of Modi. The liberal Hindu also swallowed the bait, ignoring the fact that many of the accusations by Star TV like ripping of fetuses are all Anti-Hindu practices, were based on hearsay and actually derived from the eyewitness accounts of Muslim persecution of Hindu-Sikh women in Punjab and East Bengal in the aftermath of partition. But how many Muslims have unequivocally condemned the terror antics of Mahdani, SIMI, Dawood, Osama and Mullah Omar in the past? When was the last time you saw a letter to the editor by an Indian Muslim on these lines in your daily newspaper? When was the last time you found a Muslim defending America for attacking the bastion of Taliban, or perhaps agree in the Palestine-Israel conflict that excesses have been committed by both sides? How many Muslims publicly condemned the genocide against Hindus in Bangladesh which claimed 3 million lives and counting and perhaps another in Kashmir. How many Muslims blame the Muslims for their fossilized shariat laws and defend Salman Rushdie”s right to free speech and expression. Why is the mind of the Indian Muslim or for that majority of world Muslims a monolith when it comes to espousing retrograde Pan Islamic causes? While even a young Hindu teenage girl who has yet to read the Ramayana can be found chastizising Rama for betraying Sita and killing Vali; how many Muslims can even question, if not condemn the Prophet assassinating Abu Afak, a 120 year old man who doubted the Quranic revelation and then triggering the same fate for Asma Bin Marwan, a pagan poetess and mother of five children while sleeping with them for having publicly derided the Prophet for his previous action
Why do the Indian media invoke the RSS and the VHP as the countercurrent of Islamic fundamentalism? What commonalities have they discovered between the constitutions of the SIMI and the RSS? Why are they implicated without evidence in every riot, while Islamic miscreants are let off for being supposedly a minority, and mind you not a small one at that! Why is terrorism justified by progressive news channels like NDTV as a naturally corollary for riots. Sometimes, Hindu fundamentalist are charged with raising provocative slogans like Bharat Mata ki jai - if one cant chant the same in India, where to go? In Pakistan or in Bangladesh? Or perhaps Saudi Arabia?
The media”s self censorship is another worry. Just like terror stories involving anti-national activities of Muslims are suppressed or pushed to page 10 backburners; VHP president Praveen Togadia”s outbursts and frustrations must make breaking news but not that of the imam of the Jama Masjid. If Togadia decries Valentine”s day and short skirts he is a conservative Hindu fanatic who wants to Talibanise India, but when the mullahs decide to marry a Muslim girl to his father in law who for the small matter had incidentally raped her and quite gratuitously demand of her to change her relationship with her husband to that of a mother, it is to be regarded only a matter of faith which should be respected in a secular country and instead not be communalized by the Hinduvadis. The secularist modus operandi is to keep infecting the self critical Hindu mind of their axiomatic debauchery for their co-religionists are responsible for all the riots, their co-religionalists have made India unsafe, their co-religionists have created terrorists out of peace loving Mullahs. This should supposedly appease the violent self righteousness of the Muslim mind whose benevolence in turn will keep communal riots at bay.
The ordinary Hindu has invariably internalized the pernicious “secular” conditioning that he is subjected too since the day he is born. Terror has no religion, never mind that those who blow themselves up in the name of religion all belong to the same religion. All religions are the same. The RSS and the VHP are the Hindu counterparts of the Taliban although they lack the moral courage of Islam to blow themselves apart in service of their religion. Hindu fundamentalists pose the greatest threat to the integrity and pluralistic culture of India, and if you consider any of their motives justified then it means you are one of them. These Hindu fundamentalists are perverts who don”t know anything about their religion; only secular Marxists have the license to teach you Hinduism - the debased religion which has persecuted women, dalits and adivasis for centuries while Islam is egalitarian never mind its history of persecuting those who disbelieve the Prophet”s revelation, Islam has not felled one temple for religious reasons they will claim, never mind that 80,000 others were smashed supposedly under duress of secular and political compulsions. Quite unlike the Hindus who persecuted the Buddhists through a Huna king who never converted to Hinduism or a formerly Hindu king who had already converted to islam. Also never mind not a single complaint was ever registered against the great Guptas and their legendary patronization of the heretical Buddhist sects for they had already been indicted for obstructing the march of history by unleashing the woe of feudalism on the Indian proletariat. Even the terrorist Aurangzeb stands out as a saint in the eyes of these secularists since he had been unfairly slandered by supposedly nationalist historians; never mind that all of them possessed impeccable credentials unlike much of the current crop who are indoctrinated to the deadly Stalinist ideology.
Despite that, Hinduism with its heightened ideals is the religion which is being tormented, at the expense of those which have produced the maximum number of global jihadis. “The secular hate-mongers are pushing Hindus into a difficult corner without a space to be heard. Not a single “mainline” newspaper publishes their views, though any number of assaults on them are a matter of routine. This is creating a grave situation and it”s a warning signal that can be ignored only at the peril of the nation”s great legacy of plurality” , writes Tarun Vijay. In Hindu mythology, Shumb and Nishumb are the demonic powers, whom superficial killing does not eliminate. Every drop of their blood produces a thousand other similar demons. If the secular media considers Pragya Sadhvi to be such a condemned entity, then beware, or else you will end up producing a thousand other Pragyas. RELATED STORIES: Trail of Sadhvi P. @ http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=222 Hindus under Seige @ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6644225536753124845&hl=en Hindu Rate of Wrath @ http://honestreporting.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/hindu-rate-of-wrath-2/ Courtesy: http://indiaview.wordpress.com/
Pope should apologise for Laxmanananda murder
Following are some instances in which the papacy admitted errors or apologised for actions of the Roman Catholic Church. If he can do so for trivial causes, why can’t he do so for the heinous murder of Swami Lakshmanananda in Kandhmal
Anti-Hindu dogmas from Karan Thapar
Great men make great mistakes. Karan Thapar is not a great man. However, he has made great mistakes in his article “Who is the real Hindu” published in The Hindustan Times. Here are the Karan Thapar dogmas and my replies.
Dogma 1). “Does the VHP have the right to speak for you or I?”
Reality: Yeah, VHP has done a lot of service to Hindu activities unlike armchair intellectuals like you. They have gone deep into the forests and have saved a number of Hindus from the proselytising arms of Islam and Christianity. If Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi were alive, they would have been proud of VHP. By the way, what have you done for Hinduism, Mr. Thapar, why should you have the right to speak for you or I?
Dogma 2. Do they reflect our views? Do we endorse their behaviour? They call themselves the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, but who says they represent all of us?”
Reality: They represent authentic Hindus and not pseudosecular Hindus like you.
Dogma 3. “This Sunday morning, I want to draw a clear line of distinction between them and everyone else. My hunch is many of you will agree.”
Reality: So you want to divide Hinduism. I don’t agree with you. I agree with VHP which wants to unite Hindus. So what is your problem.
Dogma 4. “Let me start with the question of conversion - an issue that greatly exercises the VHP”
Reality: It greatly exercised not just the VHP. It also greatly exercised one Mahatma Gandhi and one Swami Vivekananda. It also greatly exercises the common Hindus.
Dogma 5. “I imagine there are hundreds of millions of Hindus who are peaceful, tolerant, devoted to their faith, but above all, happy to live alongside Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Jews.”
Reality: Now I have to agree with you. You are imagining things. The history of Islam and Christianity is soaked in blood. The American historian Will Durant described Mohammedan conquest of India as the bloodiest story in the history of mankind. No Hindu is happy to live alongside Muslims. Why don’t you move over to Taliban, Regarding Christian atrocities, you would do well to read Bertrand Russell, Mr. Thapar. Besides, Sikhs and Buddhists are a part of the greater Hindu Samaj. Your pseudosecular moves at dividing Hindu society does not impress anyone.
Dogma 6. “If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? ”
Reality: Great. Now our progressive Karan Thapar is supporting medieval Christianity and Islam. And he has now proved himself to be a greater fool. Well, Christianity and Islam are medieval faiths and converting to these faiths not just makes us one man less but one enemy more. Remember, Hindus are Kafirs in Islamic parlance and heathens in Christian parlance. So Islam and Christianity are intolerant faiths and they just cannot tolerate the idolator Hindu. If you don’t understand such a simple logic, you are unfit to call yourself an intellectual, Mr. Thapar. I will now quote Thomas Jefferson, the former US President “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. …were the Pope, or his allies, to send in mission to us some thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression on our peace and faith.”
Dogma 7. “And even if that happens with inducements, it can only prove that the forsaken faith had a tenuous and shallow hold.” “So why do the VHP and its unruly storm troopers, the Bajrang Dal, froth at the mouth if you, I or our neighbours convert? What is it to do with them? Let me put it bluntly, even crudely. If I want to sell my soul - and trade in my present gods for a new lot - why shouldn”t I? ”
Reality: Well, Mr. Thapar, authentic Hindus are not cheap like you. They value their soul and don’t sell it. So when the Islamists/Christians try to dupe our innocent brothers with allurements, we are bound to stop them from getting denationalised. Surely, we don’t want ISI agents and FBI agents in our neighbourhood. Besides, Hinduism is a noble way of life and not a killer-cult like Islam and Christianity. We are proud of our tolerant faith unlike you who seems to be paid by medieval cultists.
Dogma 8. “Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it”s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracized for generations, choose to become Christian, Buddhist or Muslim, either to escape the discrimination of their Hindu faith or because some other has lured them with food and cash, it”s their right. ”
Reality: If you can support conversion, you should also support prostitution. A prostitute sells her body for cash, a converter sells his soul (I am sure you don’t have one, Mr.Thapar). Or else, you would not write so cheap. Regarding poverty among Dalits, I would like to tell you that poverty is a hang-over of Islamic-British-Nehruvian rule in India. They impoverished the entire Hindu soceity during their rule. And cheap intellectuals like you have the temerity to abuse Hindu faith while it is a historic fact that Muslims, Christians, Colonialists and Communists have been responsible for nation’s poverty.
Dogma 9: “Arguably you may believe you should ask them to reconsider, although I would call that interference but you certainly have no duty or right to stop them. In fact, I doubt if you are morally correct in even seeking to place obstacles in their way. The so-called Freedom of Religion Acts, which aim to do just that, are, in fact, tantamount to obstruction of conversion laws and therefore, at the very least, questionable.”
Reality: Mr. Thapar, you want the Hindus to be sitting duck to Christian/Islamic poachers. No way, get out of your dream land. We did not bend during the past 1,000 years of Islamic/Colonialist/Christian/Socialist rule. Nor will we bend in future. We have something called as self-respect which you seem to have sold somewhere down the line.
Dogma 10: “However, what”s even worse is how the VHP responds to this matter. Periodically they resort to violence including outright murder”
Reality: When compared to Islam/Christian violence in India, the VHP violence is a damp squib.
Dogma 11: What happened to Graham Staines in Orissa was not unique”
Reality: Staines was a cheap missionary who abused Hindu Gods. The masses gave him a fitting tribute for his action. That’s all. Staines had criminal record back home in Australia. He had cases against him registered by the Orissa police. He had a handgun with him during the time of his killing. Of course, the pseudosecular media did not report this because a white man’s life is more dear than a brown man’s life. Is it not?
Dogma 12: Last week it happened again. Apart from the utter and contemptible criminality of such behavior, is this how we Hindus wish to behave? Is this how we want our faith defended? Is this how we want to be seen? I have no doubt the answer is no. An unequivocal, unchanging and ever-lasting NO!”
Well, the Christians started it through their aggressive proselytisation and the killing of Lakshmananda. So educate yourself, Mr. Thapar.
Dogma 13: The only problem is it can”t be heard. And it needs to be. I therefore believe the time has come for the silent majority of Hindus - both those who ardently practice their faith as well as those who were born into it but may not be overtly religious or devout - to speak out.”
Reality: Yes, the time has come for the ordinary Hindus to speak against pseudosecularists in Indian media like you. You people have sold your soul to the west and are very keen on ditching Hindus and Hinduism. You only speak against Gujarat riots while ignoring Godhra. You only speak out against Hindu violence while ignoring Islamic/Christian/Communist genocides. The common Hindus should kick pseudosecularists like you. The time has come for that.
Dogma 14: “Indeed, they do not defend but shame Hinduism. That”s my central point.”
Reality: Shame. What kind of shame? Didn’t you feel ashamed when the Government twiddled its thumbs during jehadi attacks? Didn’t you feel ashamed when terrorists backed by Christians are running amok in North-East? Didn’t you feel ashamed when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir? Why is your shame restricted to a few stray Hindu attacks? Why don’t you direct your shame to worthy issues?
Dogma 15: I”m sorry but when I read that the VHP has ransacked and killed I”m not just embarrassed, I feel ashamed. Never of being hindu but of what some Hindus do in our shared faith”s name.”
Reality: So, you felt happy when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir. You felt happy when 58 Hindus were killed in Godhra. Why is your “Sorry” selective?
Dogma 16: “This is why it”s incumbent on Naveen Patnaik, Orissa”s Chief Minister, to take tough, unremitting action against the VHP and its junior wing, the Bajrang Dal.”
Reality: Why don’t you demand strict action against those anti-national proselytisers? Sure, you don’t have the balls to demand action against the violent minorities.
Dogma 17: This is a test not just of his governance, but of his character. And I know and accept this could affect his political survival. But when it”s a struggle between your commitment to your principles and your political convenience is there room for choice? For ordinary politicians, possibly, but for the Naveen I know, very definitely not. So let me end by saying: I”m waiting, Naveen. In fact, I want to say I”m not alone. There are hundreds of millions of Hindus, like you and me, waiting silently - but increasingly impatiently. Please act for all of us.”
Reality: So now you are trying to emotionally blackmail Naveen Patnaik. Well, I would like to say that 100s of millions of Hindus are with Bajrang Dal and VHP. They are supporters of masculine Hinduism and have rejected the namby-pamby pseudosecularism that Karan Thapar endorses.
Finally, an advice to Karan Thapar:
Grow up Soon. You are full of grey hair. Unfortunately, you stop short of wisdom.
Masculine Hinduism vs Feminish Hinduism
These days I meet several Hindus who say that they don’t endorse violence in the name of Hinduism. I respect their views… but I will never talk to them because I believe in masculine Hinduism. I am a person who believes in the line “Vajradapi Katorami, Kusumadapi Komalami” — To be hard as diamond and yet be sensitive like a flower.
Soft, wishy-washy, namby-pamby Hinduism does not work all the time. At a time when Hinduism is reeling under jehadi terrorism, evangelical manipulations, global machinations and intellectual terrorism of NDTV-CNN combine, we need masculine Hinduism.
Who are the mascots of masculine Hinduism. Undoubtedly, it is Swami Vivekananda for the modern times whom I consider as the father of modern Hindu nationalism. Then for old-timers, we have Rana Pratap, Shivaji, Ranjeet Singh who made Muslims bend on their knees during a time when Islamic terrorism ruled the roost. And then there is my favourite Chandrashekar Azad who sent a chill down the British spine even when the odds were against him.
As a masculine Hindu, I still believe in the age-old wisdom of Upanishad — Ahimsa Paramodharmaha (Non-violence is the greatest virtue). However, non-violence does not mean being a sitting duck to Islamic-Christian-Left-intellectual terrorists. Self-preservation (Atma Rakshan) is also our greatest dharma.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in striking at the base of terror. There is nothing wrong in defending yourself. There is nothing wrong in a good fight.
That is why I support Narendra Modi and his ilk. May their tribe increase. And I wish that those who fight for terrorist rights also spare a thought for Hindu victims who are not in the media glare.
I may sound old-fashioned. But if truth is old-fashioned, it is not my fault.
Replies to abuses in Satyadarshini
Several of the respondents in this website asked me to give a befitting reply to the abuse of Hindu Gods in the book “Satyadarshini”. So, I am giving a Hindu response to the Christian abuse.
Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
Urvashi is not a prostitute. She is a celestial nymph. Secondly Vasistha was one of the Saptarishis (Seven Great Sages Rishi) in the seventh, i.e the present Manvantara,[1] and the Rajpurohit / Rajguru of the Suryavamsha or Solar Dynasty. He was the manasaputra of Brahma. He had in his possession the divine cow Kamadhenu, and Nandini her child, who could grant anything to their owners.
Vashisht is credited as the chief author of Mandala 7 of the Rigveda. Vashisht and his family are glorified in RV 7.33, extolling their role in the Battle of the Ten Kings, making him the only mortal besides Bhavayavya to have a Rigvedic hymn dedicated to him. Another immortal treatise dedicated by him to the humanity is “Vashisht Samhita” - a book on Vedic system of electional astrology (Muhurtha/ Muhurt)- based on which theory & principles of electional astrology have emanated & followed through millenniums & which have withstood test of the time.
Abuse no. 2: When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
Lord Krishna is considerd as an Avatar in Hindu pantheon. He is supposed to have lived around 5,200 years ago. Accordingly, he is supposed to reincarnate whenever adharma increases. There is no reference anywhere which says that he is in hell. I wonder, what divine wisdom the missionaries have when they can see somebody wallowing in hell.
Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
First of all, Ramayana can be interpreted anyway you want. In fact, the world is a divine illusion. Secondly, creation needs lust. Even the divine missionaries are a product of lust. Everyone has doubts about immaculate conception. I wonder how Jesus was born without pregnancy. It is all fancy stuff. Is it not?
Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
Hinduism is not a single prophet/single book cult like Islam and Christianity. There are 84 schools of thoughts in Hinduism – of which even atheism is a part. Then there are other concepts like duality, non-duality and achintabheda tattwa (where the soul is neither dual nor non-dual). In Hinduism, worship and liberation is a personal affair. Nobody has the right to interefere in other’s mode of worship. There is something called as Vyakti Dharma. It is highly personal. No conversions and interference please.
Abuse No.5: Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
First of all, there is no sin and no sinner. Sin is a Christian concept. Majority of Hindus consider the universe as leela (divine play). Though there are other variations too, most of the Hindus have pantheistic overtones. They don’t differentiate between the creator and the creation. Most of the Hindus are believers in oneness and pantheism. Note, it is not monotheism of the zealous semitic Gods.
Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
Swami Vivekananda described the people of India as children of immortality. (Amritasya Putraha). These are the lines from the Upanishads. The soul is not a sinner. It is a spark of the universal divinity. So there is no question of liberating sinners because sin does not exist in the first place. As for the so called “Vyabichar”, it is simple logic to say that the world would stop without sex. Sex is nothing but nature’s mechanism to ensure that individuals reproduce. In fact, we have a deity for sex (Kamadeva or Cupid) in Hinduism. Per se, sex is natural. However, Victorian sensibilities ensure that a lot of guilt is associated with it.
THE FINAL RECONCILIATION
THE OUTCOME OF HINDU-CHRISTIAN NEGOTIATION IN MANGALORE
Christian leaders and Hindu leaders held a meeting to thrash out the differences at The Circuit House in Mangalore.
The Hindu delegation consisted of Prof M B Puranik, Vibhag Sanghachallak and VHP district President, Dr. Prabhakar Bhat, Prant Karyavaya, Dr. Madhav Bhandary, Vibhaga Karyakarini Sadasya, Monappa Bhandary, district BJP President, Shrikar Prabhu, Jagadish Shenava, Rajagopala Rai. The Christian delegation was led by Fr. J B Crasta, Louis Pinto,Felix Alberque, M P Noronha, William D’Souza, Stany Alvares.
The negotiation was held under the supervision of district in-charge Minister Shri Krishna Palemar. The persons who mediated towards bringing both sides together were Dharmaraj, Mangalore-based-builder and S Ramesh, Social worker.
The Hindu delegation put forth its view stating that
- Hindu society was never aggressive and in fact encouraged and promoted plurality in society.
- Christianity grew because of Hindu patronage
- Christians were denigrating Hindu faith through distribution of pamphlets denigrating Hindu God. (Satya Darshini pamphlet distributed by New Life says that Hindu gods were promiscuous and wallowing in darkness of hell).
- Christians were objecting to Hindu articles of faith like Rakhi, bindi, flowers et al
- Christians used the children of Hindu parents when the institutions were protesting against Kandmal violence
- The Christians in Mangalore had even protested when Jayalalitha Government had banned conversion in Tamil Nadu
- They had even pelted stones and had injured policemen who were trying to protect law and order.
- Though the Christian delegation was distancing itself from New Life, they were in fact supporting it by protesting in a big way as if to condone the New Life activities.
- The Schools run by Christians were psychologically dominating Hindu school children as if to give a bad impression about the Hindu faith.
- Harmony can be established only when the Christians observe their religion in private without encroaching on the domain of Hindu faith.
- Conversions were affecting the family life as several families had broken up due to conversion activities.
- Conversions due to inducement and allurements are not in the interest of the society. There is nothing wrong in voluntary conversions.
- The Resurgent Hindu society would not tolerate such proselytisation activities which aim at division rather than integration.
- The Service activities of the Church were more directed towards the ulterior motives of proselytisation.
- The Hindus won’t harm the Christian faith in any way if they do it without forcing it on others. And there would not be any cause for conflict.
- There is no question of social boycott against Christians. In fact, the Hindus are for cordial relations with Christians.
- In case of any further problems, the problems would be solved through bilateral talks involving leaders of both sides.
- The Hindu leaders made it clear that they did not support the attack on the building that housed the Cloistered Nuns. They said that it was inadvertent and it would not be repeated.
The Church leaders put forth its view in the following manner
- Christians are feeling insecure due to the recent spate of violence in New Life prayer halls
- Is it wrong on our part to serve the society?
- We don’t have anything to do with New Life activities except that both of us respect Jesus and Bible.
- Hindu leaders may stop the Hindus from attending New Life congregational meetings.
- Educate the Hindus in such a manner that they refrain from New Life activities.
- In the case of Kandmal incidents, the Hindus had provoked the Christians through banners depicting the Christians in poor light
- Any case of provocation from any side is improper.
- It should not happen. Steps should be taken to improve relations.
- Christians will not resort to conversions in South Kanara and Udupi district.
- The Christian institutions will not prevent the school children from wearing Rakhi, Bindi, flowers et al that depict the Hindu faith.
- The Christian educational institutions will not take the Hindu children to Church
- Since the Catholic Christians do not have any connection with New Life missionaries, it would not object to any action against New Life in connection with proselytisation activities.
- Since Bible and Cross are very holy in Christianity, the Hindus should not damage it any way.
- The Christians would rein in their youths from violent activities henceforth.
- The Christians are distressed with the attack on the cloistered Nuns inside the premises.
Proof of Christian complicity in abusing Hindu Gods in Mangalore
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DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.
3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.
4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.
5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.
6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.
7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.
8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.
DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.
3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.
4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.
5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.
6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.
7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.
8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.
INDIAN MEDIA IS LIKE IVAN TURGNEV’S FOOL
The Indian Media is very much like Ivan Turgenev’s Fool.
They keep criticising HIndus and brand Hindus as “Fascist, Racist and Outdated”.
They rubbish others and think themselves as wise guys.
They are fools who have following only among cowards as this story goes.
Is it not? Yes, it is.
There lived a fool.
For a long time he lived in peace and contentment; but by degrees rumors began to reach him that he was regarded on all sides as a brainless idiot. The fool was abashed and began to ponder gloomily how he might put an end to these unpleasant rumors.
A sudden idea, at last, illuminated his dull little brain … And, without the slightest delay, he put it into practice.
A friend met him in the street, and fell to praising a well-known painter….
“Upon my word!” cried the fool, “that painter was out of date long ago…you didn’t know it? I should never have expected it of you…you are quite behind the times.”
The friend was alarmed, and promptly agreed with the fool.
“Such a splendid book I read to-day!” said another friend to him.
“Upon my word!” cried the fool, “I wonder you’re not ashamed. That book’s good for nothing; everyone’s seen through it long ago. Didn’t you know it? You’re quite behind the times.”
This friend too was alarmed, and he agreed with the fool.
“What a wonderful fellow my friend N.N. is!” said a third friend to the fool. “Now there’s a really generous creature!”
“Upon my word!” cried the fool. “N.N., the notorious scoundrel! He swindled all his relations. Everyone knows that. You’re quite behind the times.”
The third friend too was alarmed, and he agreed with the fool and deserted his friend. And whoever and whatever was praised in the fool’s presence, he had the same retort for everything.
Sometimes he would add reproachfully: “And do you still believe in authorities?”
“Spiteful! malignant!” his friends began to say of the fool. “But what a brain!”
“And what a tongue!” others would add. “Oh, yes, he has talent!”
It ended in the editor of a journal proposing to the fool that he should undertake their reviewing column.
And the fool fell to criticising everything and everyone, without in the least changing his manner, or his exclamations.
And what else can they do, poor young men? Though one ought not, as a general rule, to venerate anyone… but in this case, if one didn’t venerate him, one would find onself quite behind the times!
Fools have a good time among cowards.




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