Why we shud support CASTE BASED CENSUS !
Census on caste base is very much important because of reservation issue! Always, after getting so much free advantage from govt., still u will find all the time, these SC / ST and OBC r blabbering that how much they r still deprived according to their population! They will always come with the logic that what reservation , they are getting, was much less compared to their actual population! Schedule caste people will tell, see we r now at 40 crore but we r getting only 15% reservation! ST people will tell, we r now at 15 crore but we r getting only 7.5% and to add all these, OBC people will very much depressingly will tell, we r most discriminated! We r now at 50 crore but we r getting only 27% reservations! Bha..bha… what an explanation and what an extreme want to get further reservations! In want of free opportunity, they r forgetting that in totality( 40 + 15 + 50), they r becoming 105 crore and total Hindus r hardly 85 crore! Then, is there any existence of General and Brahmin Hindu??? So, who will open their eyes?? And how they will know their actual number ?? Tell me, please tell me! Is there any other way other than census??? That’s why , census on caste base is extremely required as long as we r giving reservation on caste basis and just for the myth that they were once discriminated, deprived by Brahmin and due to that they r backward!
So, going by this theory, we shud destroy all mosque, church and change all Muslim and Christian name of places as those were result of thousands years of atrocities by Mughal & British, committed on Hindus! Or, at least , we shud marginalize them to take revenge of their atrocities on us! We shud not allow any reservations to them! We shud ban all madrasa and missioneries so as to curve them to its seed! But, r we taking any such step against them? On the contrary, we r pampering them ! Then , why we have just remembered Brahmin atrocities but why we have comfortably forgotten all Muslim and Christian atrocities! What a hypocracy!
In fact, exploitation was done by Mughal and British on us for 1000s years but we forgot it comfortably and put all the blame on Brahmins or upper caste for so called exploitation of lower caste(!)! Brahmin or upper caste had sacrificed their life to the maximum in hands of Mughal and british or other invaders who r continuing in present day in name of so called secularist as they were the mainly target for being more interested to conserve Hinduism and its culture but today they r being mostly discriminated by the govt.! So called lower caste/ ST & OBC Hindus are always bashing, doing racism against so called upper caste and Brahmin Hindu! So, for whom, they r fighting to conserve Hinduism and its heritage and culture when its own larger section Hindus r acting against them or discriminating them?
My simple question to all that how so called upper caste can exploit anybody when the total India was sabotaged by the foreigner and everybody were under the foreign rule ? Are so called upper caste out of country and were not ruled by Mughals or British? Please do not hatch the total so called upper caste and Brahmin community to establish some fictional facts! I believe, atrocities were committed , of course on so called lower caste by some oppurtunist upper caste or vice versa! But, it is not due to that they were lower caste or upper caste but it was due to that they were weak and powerless, poor ! So, it is happening always and it is universal ! It has nothing to do with casteism and all!
When 80% of India was poor, then r those not included with Brahmin and so called upper caste? This myth of exploitation was created by politicians for their vote bank what we r still believing!
Even if, our upper caste foreparents had committed atrocities on so called lower caste people, then why present generation shud suffer what they have not committed at all!
Hinduism has only 4 VARNA system, based on work! It was the healthy system for a society to run !
We know that 4 varnas are : Vaisya (in english business ), Khatriya (fighter or protector group), Brahmin (priest or spiritual expert), Sudra(working people)! These working group i.e. sudra has made other several caste according to their work ! Lower caste/ upper caste has been thus considered as per as per their quality of work! Hence, upper caste being usually considered Vaisya, Khatyia, Brahmin and some of Sudra due to dignity of their work! Suppose, who were doing funeral, sweeping, washing like work, those were considered lower caste but who were doing masson, engineering, farming , plantation like work were being considered as upper caste ! Those working group started living together and made specific caste and being started identified by specific title (surname to identify themselves, mainly according to their village name where they settled as a working community)! Later on, some group from upper caste also were named as Other backward community(OBC) due to their so called backwardness compared to rest of upper caste! Original lower caste had been pre-dominantly considered as exploited group who were subjected to the atrocities of so called upper caste!
Here, Hinduism has nothing to do , if those groups r attached to their work or being identified by the society! It is the society who had distributed the work!
Hinduism has told, you will be known by your work! Hence, if a Brahmin did sweeper work, he shud be henceforth to be considered as lower caste but as the system has already taken shape of community based, this individual introduction was not possible and caste was labeled on community irrespective of pattern of work! Thus , we know the caste system! This system was being followed for thousands years ! It was this caste system for which India was rich with working manpower for any sector but now it is decaying and people are not getting manpower for lower caste work as those r being converted to Christianity or muslims by telling them about myth of exploitation! Hindus r not after the caste and all until third party is coming and telling ur position and brainwashing u! Thus politicians had got a easier vote bank of caste and to get the vote bank, they created reservation!
Therefore, is it not understood and proved that reservation is created only to divide Hindus! Hence, census on caste base is not dividing us actually as our society since more than 50000 years was running healthily with caste base system but since Muslims and Christian( in name of Mughal and British ) started ruling us, spreading their cancer in India, they took this caste issue to divide us by giving opportunity to one section and depriving other section which r being carried out now by our pseudo Hindu politicians!
We can ban politics on pro-religion(only Hinduism), but we can't ban politics on casteism or vote bank politics(pampering Muslims and Christians by giving undue advantage, discriminating Hindus)!
So, protesting on caste base census is no issue and telling ourselves ‘Hindustani’ will not solve the core issue what is reservation ! In fact, if the census is disturbed like this, then again SC/ ST/ OBC people (presently , they r misguided by our politicians) will raise the issue of their population again and will tell that census was wrong as many has not told their caste but ‘Hindustani’! therefore, we shud not obstruct caste based census to give them the chance to raise their deprivation again! On the contrary, we shud support it full heartedly to be happened! Let our so called lower caste brothers and sisters understood that what reservations, presently they r getting, is much more than their actual population! Let them realize that their own general and Brahmin brothers and sisters how much deprived and discriminated!
In fact, being inspired or being over enthusiastic, if upper caste people who are generally prone to prove themselves nationalistic, introduce themselves and their family as "Hindustani" before govt. census official , then it will be a great blunder for our future generation! For being the census 2011 a official record, govt. will count and consider the lower caste , OBC and upper caste population as per their introduction themselves and based on census record, govt. may increase or decrease the percentage of reservation! Now, just think, if many from upper caste introduced themselves as "Hindustani", then percentage of upper caste will be lesser than actual which will directly give the benefit to lower caste & OBC for settling further more reservation and other govt. benefits! If upper caste allow to decrease themselves unnaturally, actually it will enhance the percentage of lower caste / ST & OBC! Ausumingly, lower caste/ ST & OBC people will never introduce themselves as "Hindustani" as they r getting all their govt. benefits based on caste and they will not cut their own leg! So, in this introduction ourselves as "Hindustani", only upper caste will be further looser and victim! So, before being serious to introduce urself as "Hindustani" before govt. census official, think 100 times , think for ur future generation!
So, if Caste based census is really happening, then don't/ never introduce urself as "Hindustani" but tell ur real caste only! Protesting against caste based census is individual opinion (may be , u can create mass movement!) but never advise anybody or never make a logo for introducing themselves as "Hindustani" or "meri jati Hindustani" ! Because , as said, if u r unsucessful in ur movement and caste based census is really happening, then by not telling ur caste before govt. census official, u will be acting self against as described above!
I support this "meri jati Hindustani" movement in general but not against caste based census and I strongly object ur advise to introduce ourselves "Hindustani" before govt. census official! Carry on ur movement to make everyone (incl. Muslims & Christians) a "Hindustani" so that in general they think themselves that all r belong to this "Hindu Rastra or Hindustan"! But for God's sake , scrap ur direction to introduce one as "Hindustani" before govt. census staff! Don't allow the census to be wrong on head count and don't create confusion!
So, why shud we object caste based census when it very much exists in name of reservation , quota system and in name of dalit vote bank politics, When it does exist for exploitation of so called upper caste? Should we not know, how much so called upper caste(financially rich?) and lower caste people(financially poor?) exists in India ?
Thus, we have every democratic right to know the % age of people living in our country. Our governments are giving 15 % to SC, 7.5% to ST, 27% to OBC (=49.5%) and rest left for general, from where also political leaders are shouting to give reservations to minorities. Better government shud declare that Brahmin & upper caste(constitute about 66%) i.e. general are not eligible for any government jobs or in studies. It may be noted that ,balance 50.5% r not left for non-reserved class but those seats also can be applied by reserved class , if he has not applied in reserved category! Means, if reserved category people wants to grab non-reserved category seats also, they r allowed to do that ! So, 50.5% r also not strictly for general & Brahmin category! Some states have already gone beyond 49.5%! Tamilnadu(69%) , Rajasthan(68%) are even planning to ditch general & Brahmin class completely! Some states have already started giving reservation to Muslims also! Such as Tamilnadu()3.5%), kerala (12%), Andrapradesh(4%), West bengal(10%) etc.! I am foreseeing very clearly that coming days r becoming more worser for General and Brahmin Hindus! Then, why shud we look into the interest of Hindus when our own community(SC/ ST/ OBC) r bashing us! Is it not our duty to remove such discrimination to unite Hindus! So, to take any such reformative step, we shud know our caste based population so that General, Brahmin class can put their points correctly!
Practically , this is very much essential to find out the quantity of SC/ST & OBC as their proportion since independence to now have been drastically reduced due to huge conversion to Christians mainly, then to Muslims (mainly in kerala, south india, north eastern, west Bengal, orrissa, goa etc). As their mentality has become to get benefited or to get facilities from birth without doing much, a major portion of them have become upper caste (general) basher to keep their reservation alive on pretext of so called century old myth of suppression / oppression and very much prone to convert for some exchange of money or in kind!!
So, govt. should check their percentage now that how much they are quantified up to 49.5%(in some states, it is up to 69%) or much less to remove at least some portion of reservation and if not, at least we will know the truth!! If something has the existence and additional facilities r being given due to that very existence, then it shud be , of course, counted! It is also beneficial for Hindus to know , how much SC/ST, OBC have been converted even after getting so much benefit from the same Brahmins & upper caste Hindus and how general category Hindus kept the Hindu dharma still alive by sacrificing without getting any govt. benefit !!
R u objecting or campaigning against the reservation to so called dalit or campaigning against dalit vote bank politics? then, why object to their head count?? if u support reservation or not, u will have to support caste based census otherwise on what basis reservation will be given or will be continued? Should it not be checked that how much backward has reached to upward in last 63 years? census on caste base shud not be objected when it is already existing and keeping us remembering in name of reservation!
After independence and institution of caste based reservations, the number of castes has been reduced to the Open Category, the SC/ST and the OBC. The real victims and the losers of the caste system, that is the Brahmins and other upper castes(general) have effectively been removed from the reckoning for most of the educational and job opportunities and political office for ever. Thus, if the present day beneficiaries of the new caste system can come together, the castes will be of haves and have-nots of reservations. Only two against hundreds in the past.
I do not adhere to the caste system, but I do not see why and how I can deny its existence and the fact that I was born into my caste. There is a talk about answering the question about caste by saying it is Hindustani or Indian. Very modern and patriotic sounding stuff, but it will not make things easier to decide the proportion of reservations to be made. I think people can have the caste system without its ill effects. In fact, caste system exists everywhere in some form or the other. Why deny it?
First of all, if India is a secular country, then all shud be treated as equal ! why reservation in name of caste? today, so called Brahmins or upper caste r mostly affected and they r facing maximum deprivation due to reservation system! In fact, Brahmins or upper caste r being bound to escape from India due to not having any opportunity as those r being reserved for so called lower caste!! Maximum NRI r now from either Brahmin or upper caste! so, u r following the same cycle, if earlier Brahmins have exploited so called lower caste!! where is the change of society? Now, Brahmins r becoming lower caste! so, is it not the revenge on us what was not done by us but may be by fore parents! why present generation shud suffer for what was done by fore parents , if any!! why new generation is not trying to abolish it? why they take undue advantage? Although, as per me, so called exploitation is a myth, created by politicians and in our lower mentality peoples’ mind !! but the point is, why it shud be dragged, why r we repeating the same cycle? why cant we abolish this reservation and caste, if we all r understanding??
And what is caste at all? it is based on ur work! u do ur work, caste is in ur mind! Nobody based on caste is exploited today! EXPLOITATION IS BASED ON POWER! R THE POWERFUL SO CALLED LOWER CASTE PEOPLE HOSTILE TO THEIR COMMUNITY PEOPLE? I do not disagree on stipend for poor, then where is these caste reservation coming? if u r giving someone undue benefit, the next one is exploited! is it not the social injustice again?
If we talk for a secular society, then why can't we abolish all these reservations which r actually dividing the people that is showing u r from this caste! It is creating jealousy and unbalance where merit has no value! So, in this argument, when u r giving reservation on percentage, then on what basis , u have accounted it? That is to cross checked or not, what was done in 1931? Does independent India have no authority to count its caste? U agree or not agree, that will not change the reality as long as reservation exists in name of caste , u will have to go through the head count to know their actual status! And also, if there is scheme for development, we shud know how much so called downtrodden! My point is here, we r not objecting the cause but we r objecting the sub cause which the main cause only created! This is pseudoism !
So, before objecting caste based census, people shud campaign against reservation! Because reservation on the basis of caste doesn't suffice the objective for which it is meant. Just explain how reservation reduces the total number of backward people in India? When a backward child is born in India, he joins kinder garden as a backward, then after his schooling, he gets benefits of reservation & goes to college as a backward, then he graduates as a backward & gets admission for PG as a backward. the he is offered a government job as a backward, he is also promoted because he is a backward. finally he dies as a backward creating few more backwards in society.
Nobody bothered about caste but it is reminded by only reservation! In my childhood, being a Brahmin, when i was not getting chance in a school admission but a boy of my locality with lower number got chance ! That time , i asked my father, why he got admission but i did not! father replied, that boy was schedule caste and they have the reserve seats! and that was the first occasion, i knew the caste!! And that was the start! After that i had faced many occasion, where being a boy from Brahmin class, i faced discrimination but i swear, i had not faced a single occasion where any upper caste exploited any lower caste! on the contrary, I have seen some lower mentality people always showed their jealousy on our talent and intentionally fighting with us!
Another great example of caste discrimination by reservation policy , i found during those days: I had two guys going to school with me, one persons father worked in the state university as a Sr. Professor and other persons father worked as a non teaching clerical staff in the same university. At the time of admissions in engineering college, guess who got the SC/BC reservation seat. The guy whose father was Sr. Professor!! I mean this is full of bullshit and needs to be abolished.
I think, this discrimination can be erased only if reservation system is revoked! there shud be only economic stipend in education and reservation for only handicap for job.
Got my point? Basically, there is no caste but it survive in name of reservation! The day , reservation will be abolished, that day , all caste system in India will die! So, kill the main cause(i.e. reservation) !
Therefore, we shud, in fact support caste based census to rectify our mistakes and to our society and our social structure better! Unknowingly, congress is doing a good job ! We , for the first time, will really come to know , how many SC / ST, OBC, General, Brahmins exist in Hindus which will end the age old debate of sharing of population in Hindus and will end such many issues as expressed above!
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Disclaimer : Content of this blog post is my personal opinion and may NOT be SanghParivar.org or Sangh's/RSS/VHP view.
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u r 100% correct! in kerala,
u r 100% correct! in kerala, maximum convertee r from so called scheduled caste and now claioming reservation again!
we must tell our caste before census official as long as reservation system is alive ,to make our community stronger otherwise proportionately it will be untrue if we tell our caste as "hindustani"!sc will be more counted and it may increase their resrvation further! political prties r waiting for that to weaken the upper caste people! we shud not be over enthusiastic to mention our caste 'hindustani' to census official!
yes, unofficially , our caste shud be 'hindustani' including for muslim and christians!
Mr. Vinay krishna, u r right
Mr. Vinay krishna,
u r right but only in statictics but remember , dont forget that this 15% govt. job makes our system (main reason of corruption) where all have to go to get their job done where many r finding discrimination behaviour towards upper caste by so caller lower caste official as they like to maintain and like to revenge their so called century long exploitation myth! They r much prone to appease muslims(as per present indian politics) and prone for conversion! For such behaviour of so called lower caste, actually, it is not due to their fault but insecurity and exploitation myth by upper caste have been inserted into their mind and they r convinced that they r being given reservation due to their backwardness and the cause of their backwardness is attrocities by upper caste or Brahmin! therefore, they will have to show hatred towards upper caste to keep alive this atrocities to get reservation for next, next generation and many other govt. free facilities! some r easily convinced that they r backward, so they will have to take revenge by convertion for which they will be given monetory help also! and it is assured that after conversion also, reservation facilities will be conserved! so, all greediness and discrimination, dearranged behaviour of so called lower caste r being created from reservation!
this reservation problem shud not be looked lightly as it is the source of many problem in india! it is creating inequality in society! secular society shud not be based on equality, even if it is 1%, here u r talking for 15%???!!
reservation is the main reason of corruption as 'reservation' itself the term of corruption and whose foundation is based on free facilities without hardwork, they r bound to be immoral and unethical!
reservation is disintegrating our society in name of caste, religion, creed etc! now, this virus even has gone to parliament in name of women reservation!
we can not avoid our govt. system or govt. itself as we will have to live under them! so, our system and govt. shud be made ethically and morally! it will help to raise our nationalism otherwise everything is going out of control, we r loosing our patritism, nationalism! majority r bound to think that if our govt. is not looking at our interest and making vote bank politics by depriving us, then why we shud bother? r we for giving our life only at border or to maintain internal security??
reservation and other facilities are being given for not only govt. job but in all sector right from birth due to just one reason that he or she took birth in particular caste!
also, if we do not react and protest against reservation, govt. may likely to introduce reservation in private sector also! then, where ur 85% will go? have u ever thought in this matter?? r u not hearing this news? To increase the vote bank, govt. can go to any level and they r being fearless due to our indifferent attitude what u r showing here!
i will think and will write against any reservation(except for handicap) to anybody based on his caste as its a cancer , if u r not removing it, it is poisioning the whole country!i feel my social responsibility to raise such issue and to make aware the public about their near danger to the best possible way what i can do!
it is not only percentage but the discrimination to the deserved one, which matters!
as a sensible guy, first of all, u shud not support it!
ponder over this problem without over reacting or being personal!
Dear sugarto, you openions
Dear sugarto,
you openions are coming from lack of knoweldge and ignorance, why you are simply blaming, In India Govt sector is only a 15% of jobs, 85% are working in private sector, out of goverment,why you like that job, the job is filled with irresponsability,ignorance,lazzyness and corruption,If you are not corrupted the time of entrance in govt sector, the system will make you corrupted,dirty and shameless,India is devoloping in pvt sector like rocket, But Govt Sector like a Bullockcart,why you like this govt job, the people working in govt sector, we see everyday their activity,This is the only onething our country again sustain as backward.
Please donot waste the time , Create youself,as real brahmin, manu says
satyam,neethi, dharma,and sahinutha(talarance)is equally desiplined and the honest person is called as a Brahman, mean knowing the Brahma,make you as real Brahmin, not the birth but the work
b lessings
, why you like reserved yfhe fully irresponsible and
Mr. Sushant, yes, I am
Mr. Sushant,
yes, I am obsessed with my Dharma( not religion) i.e. Hinduism as being human, it is our fundamental duty to nurture our nature, worship our motherland and be respectful to others view and belief but not at the cost of our own self respect!
Hinduism is not a religion and not started by any individual to call it so called "religion of peace" or "religion of love" but Hinduism is an eternal religion of mankind and our dharma(fundamental duty), dharma of mankind, dharma of humanity and mother of all religion! If Islam and Christianity do not eye on Hinduism, shows tolerance and do not try to convert Hindus into their belief, then those religion also will be part of Hinduism!
Being a Hindu, u do not necessarily have required to believe or worship Hindu Gods! Hinduism is broadly based on its life style and for which one has the freedom to choose his Gods! it believes in pluralism, not monotheism which tells that there is only one way to reach God or there is only one God but Hinduism believes that it has many paths and all path can reach to spiritual ultimatum!
It is Hinduism for which we have got diversified culture , being known as Bengali, Marathi, Gujarati etc and have been able to keep our identity and mother tongue ! In India like diversified country, Hinduism is utmost important to keep the nation united in terms of our Dharma as wherever our regional problem remains but when it is the matter of our Dharma or our God, we stand united ! Its a unique and wonder that being there several Gods but no Hindu is fighting with each other in name of God as Hinduism based on common philosophy which is : all Gods r different shape of Bhagwan i.e. Vidhata!
But if u see, out of Hindu community, every other religions r infighting in name of single God for being several, ideology!
Hinduism is colorful, its regarding custom, ritual, heritage and ocean of thought! Hinduism allows every individual to deliver its thought which accumulates in rich heritage and literature on Hinduism! Hinduism is collective thought , a civilization which is million years old, its eternal!
Today, world is maintaining peace because of spreading of Hinduism thought and spreading of Hindu in all over world!
Hinduism has not told that u make lower caste / upper caste as explained above but it has told that we will be known as per our karma(work)! Hinduism is natural and eternal truth which mankind is carrying since the first human born! It is our karma which will decide our next birth and if not in this birth, we will get our result of our karma in our next birth! u deny or not deny , does not matter as it is eternal truth! soul is immortal, it only changes body to body, birth to birth and there is God who is controlling and keeping watch of our all karma!
As per thought of Hinduism , being a Brahmin, u need to be spiritual guide and u need to be expert in holy literature of Hinduism! so, if a Brahmin boy does not know about and do not have depth of spiritual things, he can not be a Brahmin and if some one from other community gains all the qualification for being Brahmin, he will become Brahmin!
ur writing and allegations shud target Hindu society but not Hinduism as Dharma neither tell for committing atrocities nor it has any such single literature to follow which u found in other religion which has single book and it has a clear guideline to convert or kill other belief either by prosylitazation, deception or by force!
yes, being no single guideline and due to misunderstanding of dharma, many Hindus r taking undue advantage of it and creating confusion that Hinduism has created caste and caste discrimination which was a myth as if u talk about our Bharat, how the atrocities can take place when we all have been inhumanly ruled by invaders for more than thousands years and before thousands years, we were ruled by kings! Then, one individual can not be above ruler or king that he can commit atrocities on other in name of caste! it is all power! the fight between stronger and weak! sometimes, it is due to individual inferiority complex, feeling of insecurity,lower mentality which has nothing to do with Hinduism!
To understand Hinduism, u can go through my other blog on "Hinduism"!
if u r a Hindu, u can talk for its reformation and can give idea for reformation as Hinduism believes in reformation which has always changed with time and with requirement of nature!
ur all other allegations have already been answered in my above blog ! please read it patiently and u will get ur answer!
Mr Saugato Banarejee you are
Mr Saugato Banarejee you are so much obsessed with hindu religion.
U feel like ur been deprived opportunities coz of reservations .
one thing I d like to tell u Reservation is an opportunity to deprived .
And the Reason for this Discrimination is ur cherished Religion "Hinduism".
If in Hinduism would people have treated equal as "Human Beings" then there was no need of reservation Dear.
First think the pond in which u are swimming is already murky before hailing its worth.
Hinduism is like a 4 storeyed building which has no stairs.
One Remains on the same floor on which he is born
there is no room for progress .
IF u consider hinduism is based on equality which is highly impossible then i would like to tell u one thing.
A lower caste cannot become a brahmin
But a Peon can rise to the position of an Officer --This is called Equal Opportunity dear
I dont understand y u all consider it as the greatest religion where
people are discriminated on basis of caste "Jaat" .
"Arey Kyaa ***** hain Kyan".
"Jaake Apne Rss Aur Hindu Jaativadi logo se Kaho"
Govt has agreed endorsement
Govt has agreed endorsement of Caste based census after 11-member GoM recommendation in parliament on 31.08.10 !
PLEASE DON'T INTRODUCE URSELF AS "HINDSTANI" IN PLACE OF "YOUR CASTE" BEFORE GOVT. CENSUS OFFICIAL BUT U MUST TELL YOUR CASTE AS EXPLAINED AND EXPRESSED WITH REASON IN MY ABOVE ARTICLE(particularly in BOLD section)!
the best way and practical
the best way and practical way to become Hindustani, is to erase all caste based politics , make all equal by removing reservation !
can u do the above??
if yes, then come to protest against caste based census !