Political Discussion

Indian state - Failed State

deepak negi — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:49:18 -0500

The recent Attack on Mumbai is a Attck on the national pride ,
Ita a national shame ...

Its not only the failure of the indian inteligence agencies but also its a another example of incapability and lack of commitment by the indian government, India share a long border and costline with Rogue state i.e Pakistan. Despite the several inteligence informations Indian Government showed there Negligence on the sensitive issue of National security. Then recent Attack is a complete government failure as the indian state failed repetedly on various issues of internal security. If a government cant provide security to its citizens it clearly shows the insufficiency of the ruling coalition, Bombay is not the only case we have series of Blasts on the indian cities which includes Delhi, Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Bombay etc.

Then Home minister Mr Patil showed how responsible they are by publicly announcing the statergy of the NSG, he clearly told media persons about NSG operation, Number of camandos there time of arrival and In such cases its a kind of surprise element, here i want to point out that As a person as well Mr Patil Failed and proved there incapability, One of the media channel earlier showed how irresponsible our cost guard people are when they carried out a Sting operation on Indian sea security, even after that Indian state did Nothing.

The main problem of the indian state is that they dont consider terrorism as a Threat they treat it like a communal issue, they always try to play safe on the critical issue of internal security,
Indian state is a proved failed state where the citizens are not safe, borders are open, Foreign policy is confused, now india is on the verge of Partition if the indian state is not going to take any action in coming time as the Kashmir, North east the red corridor all are waiting for a chance to go apart

Being an indian its our responsibilty we should play our role in the society with honesty and dedication, as we make nation and its our nation

Please comment if u are a true indian .

Vande matram !!

Nation Under Seige

Sudeep Singh — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:37:28 -0500

Nation Under Siege I am not shocked as it was predicted long time back because of philosophies which is guiding the handling of terrorism in particular and other aspect of India as a whole, probably sympathiser of terrorist is more in India than Pakistan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh but ashamed of being citizen of impotent nation. The nation which has been brought to knees time and again by citizen of the country itself is bend of not doing course correction. The nation which has seen the meowing of P.M and country at large on the face of severe terror attack. With this latest terror attack the sovereignty of nation has been shattered forever. The question which is prevailing ; how long is it going to go? The answer lies in introspection of a billion citizen of the country sans those groups who is breeding population and terrorism. Serious and honest introspection will lead us to solution coupled with strong conviction to assert the idea of nationalism. I don’t find same violent protest from people who demean the encounter of terrorist in Batla house and its martyrs. Isn’t it evident to understand what is there thought process ? The terrorist has let go two Turkish citizen only because they were Muslims. The insensitivity of government reflects the insensitivity of citizen towards there own nation. We keep on voting same group who harbours philosophies of minoritism and secularism. Lighting few candles and some road side polished protest is not going to change the fate of nation. A strong and nationalist resolve has to be asserted time and again till the menace is over forever. Also terrorism doesn’t breed in isolation it is whole philosophies which is governing the nation fuels terrorism. We need to understand why this act of terrorism happens, the sole reason is expansionist strategies of Islam which focuses on total conversion to their faith and laws of land to be designed as per Islamic tenants. Hence, any views of looking it as act of cross border violence or act of few insane people will be repetition of same mistake which nation has committed pre and post independence. Propagator of same philosophies who has not allowed hanging of Afzal namely CM of J&K, Delhi are few who vehemently protected the execution of Supreme Court order. Two pronged strategy is need of the hour which is very difficult for people of India to emanate with their current psyche of infinite intolerance: Internal & External. The most important and crucial is internal piece. We need to start flushing infiltrators from Pakistan & Bangladesh from every nook and corners of the country. The cut off date should be August 1947 whatever may be the circumstances with given timeframe and accountability. The mechanism to regulate Muslim population should formed and monitored at regular interval. The demographic of J&K, Assam, border district of Bihar, WB, UP and Orissa should be restore to August 1947. Clamping of minority institution in any form whether university or Madarssa should be done immediately as this will help to integrate them with rest and help us to monitor and check their orientation for nation. The uniform civil code should be implemented at one go and zero tolerance for people who even think to differ with it. Policies and arrangement which is exclusively formulated for minority on name of secularism breeds anti-national elements hence policies and mechanism should be develop for citizen of nation not for particular communities and religion. All previous sin committed by raiders should be corrected whether it is construction of temple, regaining of Pakistan occupied Kashmir or for that matter anything related to respect of nation should be executed on priority. Anybody found indulging in war against country should be punished publically within limited timeframe and there shouldn’t be any human rights concession given to them who are enemy of human lives. The external piece should be started with sealing of porous border all across the peninsula with latest technology in place. The hot pursuit should be part of the strategy which will destroy the infrastructure that enables them to attack. Remember fear is the biggest deterrence in hand of state or terrorist and state should use it to deter them in same way they are using against state. We should make them believe that war will be fought on their soil and hence casualties will be always their and they could be their near and dear ones. The nation or land which is used for their breeding should be isolated diplomatically , economically and militarily. India needs to proactively participate in war against terror and not mere spectators. We should shed that mental make up which made us parasite and disabled and expects somebody else to fight our war. Remember we have to fight our own war. A nation which doesn’t do that will remain spineless and will face same fate of 26/11 time and again. Do we ever bother to question how 26/11 transformed in to 9/11? Why are we dieing to equate ourself with US 9/11? These are the epitome of mental slavery which urges us to take solace in some other incidence thus puts us in parasitic mentality of asking somebody else to fight our war. If we don’t have knee to kick then we are born to be kicked by somebody or the other. If we don’t accepts truth and assert ourself with prevailing political and legal system then the day is not far away when we will have terrorist inflicted casualties in each and every family. I don’t have iota of doubt that nation has lost or never ever had Manhood that requires to give befitting reply to ongoing attack on our motherland and what outrage we see now is mere ripples for few days and will die down till next act of outraging the modesty of nation is committed by goons of its soil and abroad…. I am ashamed of being citizen of that nation where goons come and thrash us in our home at its own fancy without any remorse and fears. We billions people continue being spectators since time immemorial and will remain same till the eradication of our civilization which we inhabited some point of time. Sudeep Singh

Weak government and death of citizens

PriyankBarthwal — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:27:48 -0500

UPA government has failed to proect the people. Major
attacks are happening throughout the country and our government seems to have
no plan of action to counter it. After every attack there is a talk of
punishing the terrorists and doing everything that is possible to avoid the
repeat. But it seems UPA government seems to be out of idea. The most important
responsibility of a government is to protect citizens. Our ain and present UPA
government has again and again failed to do so. Terrorists seems to be fearless
and stricking at will while our investigating agency are wasting their energy
on trying to proove a non existence hindu terrorism. The government has failed
and it has no right to continue. Government has blamed Hindu orgnisation for
terrorism and have accused the hindu samaj for protecting the terrorists and it
claims that it is acting tough on terrorism but what at action are they taking
on more than 2.5crores illegal Bangladeshis that have become such a big threat
to our national security. What action have they taken against 1000s of
madrassas that have opened in border areas who are mind washing the young
brains against India. It is the government whose supporters have questioned the
martyrdom of our brave soldiers for some votes. Who Sarkaar jisme apne
shaheedoan ki ijjaat na ho, jis mai apne shantoan ko apmanit kiya jata ho aur
jis sarkaar mai desh ke thukde kerne ki koshish kerne waloan ko bachaya jata ho
us Sarkaar ko hatana padega. We Indians have fought elections by dividing
people in the name of religion, in the name of caste, in the name of region but
now will we divide people in the name of our nation. Attacks after attacks are
happening and we seem to be doing nothing. People are dying and all we seem to
get is petty politics.

It is time to act tough. Why should onus of ensuring peace
be with us? What is Pakistan doing to avoid conflict? Pakistan Foreign minister
has promised all help in the investigation. He has also proposed to form a hot
line between head of intelligence of two countries. But first let them give us
20 most wanted terrorists that have found safe haven in Pakistan. No matter
what Pakistan promises unless they will give us terrorists like Maulana masood
and Dawood Ibrahim we will not consider them our friends. It is time now for
Pakistan to take steps to diffuse tensions.

ATS should give enough time to other Bomb Blasts also!

indianhinduvoice — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:14:24 -0500

Namaste All-

I am new to SanghParivar.org. I am here to share my thoughts with you all.

Nowadays, Every Hindu in India is so much distrubed with the Congress and Media's continue use of Word 'Hindu Terrorism'. Don't Congress and Media know that if Hindus will start terrorism they can easily rule this Country?

I have similar request to ATS to start inquiry with similar power and enthusiasm in 93 Bomb Blasts, in Seven powerful train bomb blasts, in Blasts in Ghatkopar and in Bomb Blasts in Maharashtra on September 29, 2008.

Jai Hind!

ATTENTION ALL HINDUS

naveenkvm — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:09:15 -0500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Java

This is the first time after fall of islamic rule in india , i am seeing hinduism started countering islam and muslims converting to hinduism. This process started in a small island Java, in indonesia and now started reconquering lost indonesian hindu lands. We Indians (from mainland for hinduism) should learn a lot from these javanese hindus who have successfully defeated islam and now reestablishing their religion and culture despite islamic atrocities. Really inspiring for every hindu :)

As India is now establishing itself as a powerful force in international arena, we indian hindus should start connecting to the rest of hindus in other countries and should help them in integrating with their mainland BHARATH :)

I reques RSS, VHP and other sangh organizations to step up their efforts in re-connecting with these hindus outside india and make stronger ties with them so that they can integrate with their mainland BHARATH.

JAI HIND :)

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in the wake of maleagoan blasts

K.Karunasagar — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:26:35 -0500

it is seen in the past days that all the political (secular) parties are showing thier talent to degrade the hindu society and giving a new name HInu Terrorism, if Hindu's really tried it their would be no other religion presisited in this land. and also the links of sadhvi to BJP it is brought to the notice of the so called secularits BJP is the only party in the country (presently) which is representing and standing for the hindu's

election in mp

rao.navneet yadav — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:52:27 -0500

i was totally srprise that rss remain inactive to secure hindu votes i mean that it is needed to unite bjp and bjs for the sake of hinduism because if they cannot unite congress get benifit of situation and may win the election whis is not at all in favour of hindus ,for the establishmrnt of hindu rashtra that all hindu powers must get unite and work collectively for that devine purpise

Conversion and Repercussion

Sudeep Singh — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:15:53 -0400

Change of any kind is always met by resistance of various kinds across the civilisation and period. It is logical to ascertain all pros and cons of new status as all change is not productive and conducive. Same is the case with conversion from one religion to another as is the case with change all conversion is not out of conviction of faith but many other materialistic reasons and disguise. Conversion is quite old phenomena across globe and also in India. It is history that Islam and Christanity in India is result of Hindus getting converted in to respective religion and there are various reasons which fuel this process over the period of time. One of the foremost reasons was governance. During the rule of Mughals and Muslim large number of population got converted to Islam. Similarly during the era of British large population got in to fold of Christianity. This indicates that ruler encourages people to follow religion of its own to rule longer without much hassles hence ruler to patronises the act of conversion. In modern India theory of governance remains the same where as different political ideologue supports and patronize particular caste and religion to create its own vote bank. Recently there has been incidence of attack on churches in those parts of the country which has seen large scale conversion which has got weeks and weeks of coverage in newspaper and news channel without counting on cause of such mass upheaval. The reason that is propagated for violence is Sangparivar and specifically Bajrang Dal and not cold blooded murder of Saint Lakshman Das and his disciple and if you want to ascertain that check with people around you who will be aware of attack on churches but have not even heard of name of saint, forget the killing. This is happening because neither it serves the vote bank politics nor their purpose to become bigger and better secularist than others. To understand this nepotism from state and its bandwagon we need to understand the psychology of people who is ruling the nation since independence and their interest. They have created a platform under the banner of secularism where every act of getting there is considered as legal and morally correct and rewarded by state and rest are considered as sin and faces brutality of state. This over a century or so has created anger among Hindus who is felt left out in running the country on just principals. Hence anger is manifested in way of violence and is increasing every day because if you don’t give them space and redressal they chose alternate method of redressing their grievances and easiest way out is violence. At the same time the appeasement policy of state towards few on name of minoritism and secularism pampers them up to a level of making brat out of them who wants everything which is suited to them whether it is due or undue. The reasons for fueling disintegration among Hindus in so many classes is to feed the same ruling class to reach to power and any act which is perceived as disturbing the equilibrium is met vehemently. You will observe the same political class which has created OBC, MBC, SC, ST further differentiated on line of Sikh, Buddhist and Jain etc among Hindus will oppose any bifurcation among Christians and Muslims because if they are divided in same way the Hindus are;their whole purpose of getting unified vote from those religion will be defeated hence they treat Muslim and Christian as single entity respectively. Thus purpose of their opposition is not violence but violence against their interest if violence would have been the cause then killing of saint along with many other Hindus would have also seen same emotions expressed by concern people. This is the trend for all the issue whether it is Godhra train carnage followed by Gujurat riots, re-conversion of converts to Hinduism, infiltration of Bangladeshi Muslims followed by reaction of aborigines of Assam, stoppage of Amarnath yatra and many other such incidences. Hence the attack on Christians in Orissa , Karnataka and other part of the country is vent to anger against governance and evangelist who lure week and poor in to conversion. If you dig deep in to it you will find violence is not initiated by Hindus but by perpetrators of conversion who killed holy soul in Orissa for his service to mankind which unfortunately not serving the interest of them. In Karnataka numerous booklets have been circulated among people which de-generate Hindu tradition and almighty to infuse inferiority complex among not so enrich Hindus and it has been resisted by mass upheaval. Blaming sangparivar or even thinking of banning it will be adding fuel to fire as it is treated as the only nationalist organization working for betterment of nation. The irony is that the reason given for conversion is not pursued for re-conversion and all hue and cries happens when they see people going back to their forefather’s religious fold . That’s the prominent reason of killing the torch bearer of Gharwapsy (Reconversion) at many places in country. There are schools and a colleges run by missionaries openly serves beef to Hindu student without giving them option. Can they do same with Muslims by serving pigs? The reason is that they are bigger vote bank than them and hence will get support from same political class who supported them against Hindus. We can have numerous intellectual discussions on violence and can send umpteen company of paramilitary but will not be successful to quell that because no amount of security personnel can fight with mass. The risk is if you continue to do that security personnel will turn towards mass as they also come from same society with same emotions and feelings. Eg: Mumbai riots and Gujurat riots. To deal with situation one need to understand the ground realities and can’t allow conversion without hassles and ban or discourage re-conversion by creating numerous hurdles. Though you can win many or most of the debate in your respective intellectual circles but can’t pause the violence at the ground level as common people may not have opportunity nor ability to shut debate but have enormous ability to change the ground realities and continuance of same will force majority towards defiance which we are observing in way of violence. Isn’t it duty of state to stop infiltration across border and if people or organization has taken the responsibility of state why is unwarranted ? Though state could catch some and prosecute few on the name of minority appeasement but will not be able to save their life from majority for long. We need to think what could be logic of not having uniform civil code even after half centuary of independence to eradicate religion personal code which is heavily lopsided towards minorities. The tradition and culture of this land which is one of the ancient and valuable than other will extinguish with unmindful conversion of Hindus in to others as conversion changes the whole perspective of individual towards civilisation that carried by their forefather with so much pride because the religion which is not indigenous to land will carry its own fancies from land of its origin. Do we allow that ? The question which haunts one is how come organisation or person who is serving converts to re-convert in to its original religion could be termed as enemy of nation ? The logical answer probably will be in not but where logic and vested interest precedes the national interest that is in our country will be yes. The message to the state is that you can beat the drum of minoritism in your own den but will be hardly successful in quelling the violence if your acts and principals are not convincing enough to mass. One needs to see the people of all religion with one eye and credit should be given to majority in case of India Hindus for their brotherhood treatment towards other religion because facts and figures of approach of other religion is starkly opposite to Hindus in their own land of origin or acquired. Ponder a bit on few incidence of near past where state and PM of country ashamed and lost sleep on backlash towards Christians and arrest of individual from Muslim community in foreign land but have stomach full of sleep and pride on Hindus not allowed to wear turbans ,nose rings and drove from their home by propagators of same communities who are majority in those land . In case we don’t stand on the face of conversion be prepare for facing situation where you will be drove from your own towns , villages, societies and homes. Message is equality for all appeasement to none. Sudeep Singh

r we hindus impotant?

karanmishra — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:48:23 -0400

r we hindus impotant?
jai shri ram,
plz awake ,plz get together to wipe off,these so called zehadis.
rip them off.akshar dhaam,jaipur,varanasi,bangalore,mumbai blasts,
y we r not giving answer,plz for the sake of shiva ,take revenge,
plz
karan mishra